Fuel Your Legacy

Episode 191: Dacia M Arnold, Being on the front lines

Episode Summary

Dacia M Arnold is an Amazon Bestselling author of adult dystopian and dark fiction. She enjoys writing main characters who are otherwise normal people with extraordinary abilities. To say Dacia is an author and a mother would only be scratching the surface. She is an avid karaoke singer, master crafter and a thrift-ster. She is also a ten-year Army veteran and served two tours of combat as a medic. From a young age, her imagination lent itself to short stories and poems. Like most girls, her father is her hero. Dacia moved every three years since she was born, as with most military families, which allowed her to reinvent herself with new friends. Later in life, she followed her father’s boot prints by joining the military. Dacia spent fifteen months working in Baghdad Emergency room. There she lay witness to both horrors and miracles. While she was away for her second deployment, Dacia lost her best friend to domestic violence. After her friend’s passing, Dacia served as a victim advocate until her time in the military ended. Now, to help others, she speaks out often in social media platforms to encourage victims of their own strength and informs them of options to get help. Dacia blogs about being a writer, a mom of two and the struggles therein. She sometimes incorporates life with her railroad conductor husband in Denver, Colorado and a few DIY projects. When in rare form, she will share stories about her time in the military, her medical experiences, short fiction stories, and very rarely a poem. Dacia’s first full length novel incorporates almost every aspect of her life. APPARENT POWER is an award-winning story following a mother on a journey to find her son before a rising, post-apocalyptic government does. The main character will stop at nothing to ensure her son’s safety. Apparent Power is available now through all major book retailers.

Episode Notes

Welcome back to the fuel your legacy podcast. Each week we expose the faulty foundational mindsets of the past and rebuild a newer, stronger foundation essential in creating your meaningful legacy. We've got a lot of work to do. So let's get started.

As much as you like this podcast, I'm certain that you're going to love the book that I just released on Amazon, fuel your legacy, the nine pillars to build a meaningful legacy. I wrote this to share with you the experiences that I had while I was identifying my identity, how I began to create my meaningful legacy, and how you can create yours. You're gonna find this book on Kindle, Amazon, and as always on my website, Sam Knickerbocker calm.

Welcome back to fuel your legacy show and we are excited. I'm always excited every time I get to meet new people, learn more about them. It's always an exciting moment right now. We're still kind of in the midst of the hopefully online

On the latter half of the Coronavirus, quarantine, so a lot of people say weird things because they're kind of delusional at this point but it's gonna be a good podcast Anyways, I'm season. I love this I love getting to hear people's experiences and where they are and how they became who they are today. So today we are going to be talking to

dasia

Arnold, sorry, I missed her last name, Dacia Arnold, and she's an author, mom Superwoman in her eyes, and I'm sure in many other people's eyes, I'm excited for you to get to hear her story of where she came from, what she thought was her passion and what she ultimately came out believing was or passionate and what she's doing now. I feel that your story will be relatable to you. And maybe that you once had a passion or you thought something was going to be how your life was going to go. And then it didn't go that way.

But it turned out better. So I'm excited for her and we're gonna let her take it away. Okay, thanks.

Yeah, it's it's a crazy world we live in. But, but I'm really excited to share about my life. My background is

I, I left home really early, my parents split up when I was 15. And I went to go live with relatives. So when it came time for me to be an adult, I went back to, to what I knew my dad growing up was in the military. And so I decided that I was going to chase my dad's legacy and join the military just to kind of bridge this gap of like a relationship with my father. And so I did this, I joined the military. I wanted to be as close to combat as possible, but back when I joined that didn't exist

before Mylene

And but they did say they're like, you know, you scored high enough on this test they could really just pick whatever you want it. So I decided to become a medic and jump into the medical field.

So I am joined the army after 911 says like 2014 when I joined the military, I worked in a combat support hospital. I worked in Baghdad emergency room so they made a TV show about my unit Baghdad er is an HBO documentary.

And then I came home

and decided to stick with it. I signed another contract. So when overseas again.

And at the end of the day, like my my big goal was to, you know, build that relationship with my dad. And it really did. I was able to call my dad and ask him for career advice. I even was able to get stationed in the same place for him.

He retired. So then like we he lived down the street from me, it was great.

Then I had a son. And I thought that I could be one of those combat boot moms. And you know, I know many women who are and they're successful and they're great. I was not one of them. As soon as that little boy came into the world, I immediately noticed there was no, I didn't own anything. The government owned everything to include by time, my home, my family, me, every, every extension of me, and there was no black and white. So I didn't like not having that boundary of family. And so and this is and now I'm saying this now, but this is this should have been like my first marker where I was on the wrong path.

And so I decided not to sign another contract with the military and finished out

My time my son was a year old. My husband who had also got out of the military decided to join the railroad. So he drives trains for the railroad here in Colorado.

I went to work, I think I was I was able to be home for maybe about 10 months before I was really climbing the walls and living a life of constantly like being constantly engaged and to being a stay at home mom just really didn't mesh well with me. So going back to work for a hospital here in Denver.

You know, it was, it was starting over, I had to take an entry level position, because instead of going to college, I joined the military, so I didn't have a college degree. And so when I got out of the military, my dad also he published a science fiction book, and I read this same fiction book and I was like, oh,

Yeah, if dad can do it, I can do it. And this is this will be another way for me and my dad to really bond and, and since then like he had gotten married and has he has a son and and he has a you know his own family now and and me and my siblings are all grown and have our own children but I was like yeah I can I can do this I became a mom and he's you know, a dad to a younger kid, you know, we could bond bonds more because I'm always chasing my dad's legacy always.

So then I wrote a science fiction novel, I wrote 544 science fiction novels, um, and and just really kind of blew up in the industry really, really fast. Whereas my dad didn't and come to find out like this one thing was supposed to be his thing, like something that nobody else in this family did and it really just kind of drove

The wedge

between my father and let it land my father and I and so I don't. Now I don't share about my literary career or anything like that.

So, that being said, I had another baby, and still working at the hospital, my daughter got really, really sick. And so it's like illnesses that would give a normal kid like a runny nose, put my daughter in the ICU four times in a year.

So that was scary. So I had to quit my job at the hospital and stay at home with her. And this again, lasted for about 10 months. And then she was out of the hospital for an extended period of time. I was like, okay, Mama needs to go back to work now. So I went back to work at the hospital. While I was working at the hospitals working on my degree. I finished my degree, my bachelor's in English. I'm thinking that I'm going to continue this

writing career.

Um, I didn't, I actually applied for a few other jobs to include Department of Public Health here in Colorado.

And

taking this so, so my current position with public health and this is where I decided that this is where I need to go.

I worked in the emergency room my entire career, I've worked in a hospital setting

but the same time that I was leaving the emergency room was the same time this Coronavirus really hit. And so I had to make a choice to stay in the emergency room where I have trained my entire adult life on the medical response of biological hazards or leave and go to this next kind of higher echelon of

strategic planning of healthcare, which I've never been a part of,

but it was more money.

And I transition from working on the frontlines to working on a different kind of frontline but at home with my family and staying safe so I did that it was really hard for me.

I have this inherent need to just save everybody from everything. So taking a step back and working from home, I felt like I was not making the most of my life experiences.

Then come to find out I'll get a phone call later on. That Well, my my division.

My director, the director of my division has been tasked now to man one of the overflow facilities from the one of our convention centers here in Denver and I have been identified as

As one of their logistical people who has the key experience to work with the National Guard in this facility, like on the back on the front lines, but in a higher level of engagement. And I, you know, it's scary is scary because I know at some point I'm going to get sick. But at the same time, I have never felt more validated in my life to have gone on this long string of following my dad and following my dad and trying to fill these shoes to actually have my own shoes to fill. Like if this is

exciting for me. It's engaging and it's something I'm very, very passionate about. So that's where we are today. Awesome. I love it. So I have lots of questions and things that I just want to point out. I think this is interesting from a I studied neuro psychology. So my my

I currently help people with money, learn how money works, because I think that's most important. And and for me, I believe it's directly connected to mental health. When I looked in the research, the more and more mental health issues and, and

social issues, domestic violence, things like that were happening in lower socioeconomic households rather than in in higher socioeconomic households. It's not that it doesn't happen, like, people say like, well, it still happens. I know it still happens. But when it happens, they have the money to take care of it the way they need to. If you get depressed, and you're broke, you don't get to go to a psychologist, you get to go find drugs or die like it's just a different situation. So to pretend it the same is false. And it comes down to how well you understand how money works. So it's not that psychologists aren't needed, it's not that psychiatrist aren't needed all those people. They have a job to do. It's just not where I want it to be. Because then give me the lifestyle that I wanted or the income so I teach people how to

Money works.

And that's okay. But I think it's interesting. And when we're looking at this, the I have 11 siblings, but I have 10 said when I'm seven of 11 and you can see, it's sure

yes.

But But it's interesting, the idea of going to basically whatever lengths to build a familiar relationship with your, with your dad. And and, and I don't know where your mom is that's one of my questions Where's your mom at and maybe that's a touchy subject, but I'm curious. It is it is. So um, she's in in one of those situations that you explained that the the socio economical, like she's never had to take care of herself. So when my so my dad being in the military was always like the breadwinner. So when that was when they were no longer a thing. It kind of left my mother

They're

in, in limbo financially, and she just never got out of it. So she turned to you know, like you mentioned drugs and, and, you know, not not good home relationships. Yeah, so something fascinating about that there's a book called story selling for financial advisors. Very interesting book, it's worth a read. But one, they spend a whole chapter or two chapters in this book, specifically talking about why it's absolutely essential for women in the family to get financially educated, it doesn't matter. Like it's so and it's older way of thinking, and you have to look at like the sociology of how we develop as a country. But the man earned the money and the man determined how the money was going to be spent. That was the case for a long time. And so the women never got to make decisions really, but yet, they were actually the people who are making decisions. Most of them they were the ones who are paying the electricity bills. They were the ones who going to the grocery store and shopping. They were the ones

Were using the money but when it came to decision making, they weren't visions. And so the confidence or the identity of being good with money was never there. Not that they weren't good with money. They were good with money their whole life. Just somebody else was providing it. The moment they were now responsible for providing and managing, it's their identity wasn't there? Anyways, it's a very fascinating social construct. That's kind of what I assume so I was trying to go about that.

Softly What about the word? sensitively? delicately. Yeah. Is

the desire to have a relationship with your with your parents was a driving force in where you're going, you're still living, not necessarily somebody else's dream completely, but living a life in a way that you could seek for greater connection. And we all do that we all at one level or another, seek or live our lives in a way to get greater

connection. In fact, there's a I don't know if you've heard of Steve siebold. But

he has a book called the 177. Mental Toughness Secrets of the world class did mental toughness training for Navy SEALs for a number of years. And one of the things he says is that by the age eight years old, addiction to the approval of others, is stronger than any other day addiction that we know of. Right? And it's that addiction that is, so

it's not necessarily a bad thing. Addiction isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's what are you addicted to? And

when you're young, you don't really have the ability to think, Okay, I'm going to be addicted to what I want more than what I think somebody else wants. And so it's really easy for us to go down this pathway of fulfilling a role that we think somebody else will accept us better in, right, I want to create connection, so I'm going to fulfill this role to hopefully get connection

And that and the systemic problems that we're probably not going to get into today. But I think it's interesting. She was willing to put her life on the line front lines of military, for connection. What I The reason I bring this up is because what or if you're a parent or a sibling, or a child,

what are the people around you that people who supposedly love you the most or that you should love the most, quote unquote? What are they potentially willing to do to be recognized by you and to connect? What lengths are they willing to do? That you might think, why do you keep doing this? It's because they want connection. And maybe the only time you you recognize them is when they do something that you don't agree with.

It's so easy to create

adverse

results in life because of what we're trying is ultimately to get connection. And so I invite you to push pause

On this podcast and connect with somebody that you've been thinking about, you've been meaning to connect with, but you haven't connected with because life gets in the way. Well, they still need to be connected to so especially more than any other time in the world Coronavirus. People need connection. Okay, so please feel free to reach out and connect with somebody because connection is what drove. And again, it's not necessarily a bad thing that day she went there but drove her into the military frontlines. You know, that's an I, I heard Gary Vee that say this on a podcast yesterday. And I was like, Well, I'm not the only one who says it verbally. But he's like, Look, when a war breaks out, I won't be anywhere on that battlefield. I'll be running the other way. I know it's super unmanly to say, but that's me. And I fully am on board with him. Like I'm the most pacifist. Like I love you. Oh, you want to stab me? I still love you.

Like, I don't know. I just I do

I see myself my self concept is not a defender, and my wife is super uneasy about that sometimes I'm like, Look, it is what it is

not the most manly thing to say on podcast, but it's true. And, and so that's, that's crucial. It's interesting. When you got a when you recognize that you didn't own anything and the government owned anything.

Like what was that? What was that initial feeling like if you were to describe that feeling how you felt in that moment where you essentially, there was nothing of your own because there's lemon, I believe, and men who are going through the same feeling, if not because of physical things that they don't own, but their identity, they don't own any part of their identity anymore because they've given it away to their children to their, their work to their house, whatever, and they don't own anything. They don't know who they are. It's a very similar feeling. So describe that feeling for me.

So describe the feeling of not owning

anything, it's just really there's this there's this sense of

ambiguity that there's, you just got it. So every day is you're kind of just on autopilot, you're like there's nothing that's going to immediately change my circumstances. So today, I have to do XYZ to get through the day. In the military, it's not like when you get fed up, you just put in your two weeks notice and you quit. It's a contract. So you're bound to this contract and the consequences of breaking said contract the paperwork, extensive, but also the punitive actions aren't in sync. If you get in trouble at your job. If If you work like a traditional nine to five job, you'll get like a written warning, you'll get maybe a coaching a plan of action. In the military, they take half of your pay for a month to two months. Like this is your livelihood and then

Just it is insane. The amount of control that I wouldn't say the government as an entity, but actual people, tangible people have over your life to make a decision that says, oh, that look on your face is disrespectful. And so we're going to punish you for it. It is insane. Like, at that it is it is insane. I would never be part of it. And in my in my position and I, I worked with wounded ill and injured soldiers as they transition transitioned, unplanned from the military into civilian life

due to any kind of medical condition, and a lot of these were mental illnesses. And so I have to make both men and grohmann and grown women fully accountable for like identity.

They paid their bills and they clean their house and they mowed their lawn and took their trash out and were at their appointments on time and weren't dressed in the right uniform. It's just, it was too much for me and to, to have these people who didn't care about my job or what I said, or what I did require more time of me away from my family. It was just you know, I, I've got 12 months of this left, and then at least there is like a light at the end of this tunnel, there is an end in sight. If I had four more years left on that, I don't know.

Anyone with mental illness, and they would have been

but but what really drove me through this time was to do the right thing, like I would just know, like, the military is very black and white. There's policies like you just do

The right thing to keep yourself out of trouble and hold these people to a standard and maintain a standard yourself and that's really what got me through the real life's not like the military real life. It's not like there are no rules. But I think that's when I when I got out of the military I was the one thing that I realized is that there is no way people have to treat each other with respect and it was just kind of a culture shock for me really. It's interesting as well, kind of moving forward in your story that you went from this place of like extreme structure, which I have like the ultimate complex of authority in my life, probably due to my childhood as well.

parts but like I don't even like I don't love holding to a daily routine or schedule even though like every successful person says it they live and die by and like I don't, I don't like having a schedule because now I'm dictating what I hate it right.

For me, I have it some some issues there. But you went from this extremely structured area of life to one. Being a mom. There's no structure there. Even if you wish there was structure, there's no structure with your sleep with your food with changing diapers with your day napping, there's no structure, you can try and create structure and more power to you. And the happiest people that I know who are parents have zero structure, they just go with the flow every day.

But, but more importantly, the next kind of

I wouldn't even say career path you went to was writing fiction,

which has like it's the opposite of structure. It's like that you go from crazy structure where there there is no coloring outside the lines to you get to create the lines, what color the lines are in, and like you're creating your entire second universe. It's such a for me, it's a weird contrast. Like

What was it for you stepping from one to the next? What's really interesting that you say that so you would think fiction is just the imaginary, the abstract and just playing around with stuff that doesn't exist. But actually, the physical craft of writing is very regimented. And so there is a left brain and right brain approach to writing and I was able to, like marry these things together. So I would schedule time to write I would have a writing goal for the day. I, they call it in the industry, we write by the seat of our pants, we call it pantsing versus planning. And so I just pants this entire story. And really what this was, was my coping mechanism of getting out of the military and no longer being identified within an institution.

So like, for example, and this is kind of the premise of

My story, crap hits the fan. And I'm no longer a part of this institution where I have a role. I have a job, I know my job, I know everyone else's job and can rely on them for survival. And to being a mother with all this knowledge and crap hitting the fan. And I don't, I no longer have to just worry about keeping myself alive and other adults alive. But I've these little people that I have to keep alive.

And so it was kind of this

would I make it? Would they make it would we be okay, and so that was the whole fiction, and I just needed to make sure I could do it. Not write the book, but could could be successful at keeping these people alive if crap hit the fan. Yeah, no, I love it. And I think another thing that's interesting about because if you ever played d&d,

Do you know what that is done? I know what it is. Yeah. Okay. You look like blank. I was like, does she know what I'm talking about? So I don't want to pretend. But I know. Okay, so so what's interesting about this is I'm somebody who so although is creative space and and the actual science fiction aspect of it, there are creative aspects. Writing is super regimented. But she just described what made her and I don't I don't know why your dad didn't do as good, right? I'm not saying I'm not pretending that but I do think that there's the people who are most successful at creating card games that I know personally and creating.

DND are these types of like, everything's in their head and they have to write backstories and for all their characters. The thing that's fascinating is

they're there as she said, there's a level of creativity, but she has to be able to maintain complete knowledge of every aspect of

What that person can and can't do in life and should and shouldn't do. They're, they're in positions to a certain things and understand these people. So her her job actually created her,

created a circumstance that made that more

able to happen and give her more feedback to create a great science fiction novel or book or story, because she could compartmentalize all those different characters. So it's interesting how you, it's creative, but it's also a structured event, like you said.

It's fascinating. Writing is something difficult for me, personally, to express myself. So that's good to hear. But I'm curious The other thing because now we're moving into I want to hit on this before we get

too far into this but I want to hit on it with the just because it's the time and I have you here and you work in it.

I just see the news. So all I can see is the news. And who knows if it's accurate, and there's there's plenty of people out there who escaped both sides. So I don't know. Like nobody knows what the truth is, personally.

And you can hex me or whatever. Personally, I choose to live a life that whatever, like if I get too sick, I get sick. If not, if not, whatever, like I can't control too much about my life. So I'm just going to be happy and do my thing.

But like, from your experience being on the front lines now of the Coronavirus from the ER, moving out of that, and then into now planning scale, like how what's your been? What's been your experience of the Coronavirus in these circumstances?

And I feel bad I will say, but yeah, so every so everything that I'm going to say is public knowledge. There's no there's no kind of behind the scenes.

Anything like that, and I'm speaking for myself and not as a representative of my organization. And so, the So, so a lot of people have your stance, like if I, if I get sick, I get sick, just like if I get the flu, I'm just kind of going about my life, right? Well, the thing is, um, and I'm going to use you as just a generic, you know, it's not about you. It's not, you know, I'm going to get sick and that's okay. It's my responsibility to ensure that I'm not going to be the reason somebody doesn't have their grandmother anymore.

So it makes sense. So I could have had it already. I could have not had it yet. I don't know. testings not widely available yet. But if you are one of those magical unicorn people who do contract the virus and do not have any symptoms or have like such

Minor symptoms, you don't even notice it, whether it's allergies, or if it's a virus, you could go out and can, you know, continue about your life and maybe somebody's grandmother is, you know, going to the grocery store because she didn't have anyone to go to the grocery store. And then there's an exchange. Sure, you know, and it and it smacks that granny really. So here's so here's my, here's my, here's my debate. I love debating. And I and by the way, I have no idea about what I say is true half the time. Okay. This is my thought process, right?

Every level of our life from from government, right because government or is one who said in the standards, we have what's called an acceptable loss, right? We have we have a certain

speed limits based on acceptable loss. We have certain car testing standards based on acceptable loss. We have all of these things based on acceptable loss. And so I get it at some but I could be the reason that somebody doesn't have a grandma

could also be the reason somebody doesn't have a grandma because I pulled in front of I ran a red light or I was texting and driving or just nothing happened and somebody sat on their brakes a deer ran in front of us, right? There's so like living in that type of from my perspective.

Any life is too much is not practical. And so

for me it's more of like what's an acceptable loss and do I really believe that not everybody's gonna get eventually anyways? I think if it's like the flu Look, it's like, at what point is Sweden what they're doing just saying, Hey, you guys social distance everybody else out there life is safely but we're all going to get it mastering herd immunity. Yes, there's going to be loss. I'm not arguing whether there's loss. For me. It just seems that like,

there's got to be that whatever that number is that we say whatever it is what it is, is it worth? I'm from a financial perspective, is it worth causing mass depression, mass suicide, greater levels of domestic violence? Is it worth causing

what's what's the acceptable loss? Right now? We're trying to save a few people from a disease which I'm not saying is bad, but we haven't even hit the ramifications of homes going under people being living in streets like that we have no idea the ramifications just like we have no idea the ramifications of what happens if we don't social distance and, and going on, right. So it's, it's a scale this isn't for me. So I'm just curious what your, your perspective is. Okay. So, um, the immediate loss of Yes, everyone's going to get it and those people are going to die are eventually going to die.

Is what you're saying, and I get it. I really do. It's the thing of our hospital systems being overwhelmed. people dying that didn't need to die. people having resources to save their lives versus those resources not being available for everyone that needs them. And that is a major piece of the social distancing. The thing about flowers

The curb, like instead of having a big spike, so the big spikes went all at once. And the flattening of the curve is not a flat curve that makes no sense like, so it's just kind of, we just, it's going to be a long haul thing. It has to be a long haul thing for the survivability of people who have a chance. So it makes sense. So if I'm say, I'm 35 years old, I'm fairly healthy, but this thing, you know, yeah, I'm in a neat event. And there are no events available. But if I had event available, I would come out the other end. Okay. But I couldn't get event so I'm just not going to make it.

Sure. So I'm not I'm not at all I'm you know, 35. And yeah, chances are, I mean, chances in our age group is super a lot less than Oh, yeah, yeah, there's the I mean, there's that where it's like,

anyways, right, but there are people there still people our age that do need the ventilator. Yeah, or I just don't

Don't know what the I guess, I guess my position and you you've seen this from battlefields to to now. I mean, Denver is not a small city it's not a giant city by any stretch of the imagination I compared to in New York. It's not I mean, it's like salt lake compared to Denver. It's not very, not really the same.

But I think that the, for me, I guess we don't have enough more information to really know but like, what what's the acceptable loss meter going to be set at of this long term?

and How bad is it really

long term. And and so that's that's the one side of it the other side of it. And this isn't super popular opinion. Don't listen if you don't appreciate this, but there's also reality that

although standard, no mortality rates

been getting longer as in people have been living longer,

um, quality of life in your later years is declining. It's not increasing. So yes, just because we can sustain life, there's an argument to be made to sustain life. But if we're sustaining life with a bad a very low quality of life, is it worth sustaining life? I know is that your choice to make? Well, I Well, is it your so if whose choice to make is it this is a question 100 years ago, the choice to make was, you died because you got a disease. So now we're whose choice is it to

keep people alive, even if they don't want to be alive. And that's still not legally allowed in our country to say for somebody say, I don't want to be alive anymore. Sorry, we can't euthanize you. So we're going the full extent of medical abilities and that's what it is. I don't really have a foot in either camp. It's just all the things that go through my head like okay, where like whose choice is he

whose voices are these make? Because whose choices to make to make it so people can't provide for their family or have to live on street because they can't pay rent. And there's so many financial and fiscal fiscally important questions that are answered in the name of what's the financial cost, right? So for $4 million or something is what it costs for everybody to die. Not score for four, I think it's for 4 million last I looked for in a car accident if you die in a car accident, the acceptable loss is like $4 million dollars worth of worth it per individual who dies in a car accident, which is crazy, but that's the number that the government chose. And so all their standards are if if adding a new seatbelt to a car is going to cost everybody if it's going to cost more than

four thousand dollars per individual. We're going to save we we're not going to require it. If it's less than four, then we're going to require right

There's that those are their standards and most people don't know about these standards, but they're there you can go Google. These standards are in every area of life. So what is that standard here? And what's fiscal cost that we're willing to endure? To save our money lives we're gonna save. Okay?

So your stance is we need to open up the economy regardless of loss of life due to the virus. I'm not necessarily I just don't know I don't know what the stance is. I don't really have a stance I'm going to work like I say I don't have a stance I just am curious like what people other people's opinions are. You're you're somebody who actually like is qualified to have an opinion.

I have a lot of friends who we all think this is all stupid because nobody we know has it but that I mean, that's not true. I know four or five people who actually have had it but the point is like, compared to how many people I know. Have it. Here's a good example for a man. Okay, well, you Salt Lake City, so

Super quick you guys are do you do for a giant earthquake? I'm not one like 5.7 or so yeah, you've had a few you have like one every day. Yeah, but it can happen. It's true though. There is actually FEMA and the state of Colorado, the state of Utah, not Wyoming so much. So, there, there are many entities involved in the planning for the Super earthquake in Salt Lake City.

For four people out of context, 80% of the population in Utah is in Salt Lake City in the valley. So when this earthquake hits, it's gonna it's going to devastate everything, and they're what I don't even know the projected magnitude of the big one.

But, but these, this is a real scenario that other states are planning for. So we have a plan to take all of the patients that are currently in Salt Lake City into our

hospitals in Colorado. And I think even Arizona is planning on taking some. So we have this plan in place. And FEMA, everybody, everybody, the government, everyone has a plan in place for when this happens if it happens, but they say when it happens.

So we know who's in charge. We know who's in charge of routing all these patients who's in charge of taking ambulatory patients out of the city and transferring them vehicle on vehicles into the state but we have all this planned out.

I say we but the state government header

Okay, say this happens during the virus.

No, we just told you all there. No, we don't leave you all there. You know what I mean? We do we save lives, you know, you know, and when you it's like, okay, let us in