Fuel Your Legacy

Episode 192: Shaun Christensen, Hypnosis Problem Solving

Episode Summary

Shaun Dee the Hypno Hick has been providing Comedy Stage Hypnosis for Fairs, Schools, Corporate events/parties and Fundraisers since October of 2003. for the last 17 years he has hypnotized thousands of volunteers on stage as well as one on one clients in his hypnosis clinic called the Alpine Hypnosis Center in Payson, Utah. Shaun Became a Certified Hypnotherapist in march of 2003, His love for hypnosis came during high school when he was in Psychology class. The thought of Helping ordinary people with ordinary issues sparked his interest and that is the route he chose. In 2014 he became a certified instructor for the largest hypnosis organizations in the world, the "National Guild of Hypnotists". Also in 2014, he became certified in PTSD with Hypnosis and in 2016 became certified in Forensics Hypnosis to work with police departments to assist in memory recall for witnesses/victims as to what a licence plate might have been or a suspect may look like. Hypnosis is a very powerful tool in memory recall. Shaun's passion is with Sports Hypnosis, He helps get your mind into the game, whether its Rodeo, Gymnastics, Soccer, Wrestling, Bodybuilding, Softball etc. Your sport is 80% mental 20% physical and hypnosis can help with the 80%.

Episode Notes

Welcome back to the fuel your legacy podcast each week we expose the faulty foundational mindsets of the past and rebuild the newer, stronger foundation essential in creating your meaningful legacy. We've got a lot of work to do. So let's get started.

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Welcome back to do your legacy. today. We have a great friend of mine on Sean Christiansen and I actually met him at an event that I was speaking at and I had

been in contact with a few different people who have done similar things hypnosis, and neuro linguistic programming I've actually participated in as a client and learned how to do certain levels of it for for my clients in that. So when I

met him, I was like, I want to one, I have them on my podcast because we need more hypnotists on our podcast, but to want to know, kind of the ins and outs there. So we've met a few times, and I'm just excited to have bring him now to you. So you can share one of the benefits, how this has helped him and kind of where he sees this going for his life and then the future and how it's connected to his latency. Fair enough. Sure. Yeah. Sounds good. Awesome. Well, with that, john, go ahead and share with us your history and feel free to take as long as you need, right. Short of don't take don't take forever actually. But yeah, take take some time and let us know exactly. The storyline of how you came to where you are and became who you are today. Okay, cool. So

So, I guess it starts back in high school when I was studying psychology in high school, I was studying at Dixie High School at St. George. And I was studying hypnosis, studied psychology. And in one of the classes, we had hypnotist, come to our class. And he said, you can cut therapy into a third of the time, because you get to the root of the problem. I thought, Oh my gosh, that's so cool. That's what I want to do. So I started studying hypnosis and everything that I read was right. He said that you can get through the problems. At the time. I thought that's what I that's definitely what I want to do. So I became a hypnotherapist. First out of high school. I was reading as many books as I could. And then I went to an academy up in Salt Lake called the academy for life management where I studied hypnotism and became a certified hypnotherapist, which is what we could call ourselves back at that time in 2003. It was illegal to call yourself a hypnotherapist. Now it's not unless you have a mental health certification. Anyway, so I went to school became certified, I opened up an office called the Alpine hypnosis center and

Hello, and I opened that in 2003. And I did that there until about 2017 I must say, back in 2004 I became a stage hypnotist. I started washing station with this and thought that is really cool. That's what I want to do. So I joined this hypnotist up in Salt Lake for a couple years, mentored under him, started doing my own shows. And then I rebranded myself as was called the hypno hick. So, that's kind of a fun, fun little thing. And so I've kept that name for for, gosh, 15 years now. So anyway, so yeah, I've I was, I've been hypnotic for a long time. And in the meantime of that, I suppose still was doing one on one sessions with clients and got really interested in forensics hypnosis, so I started studying forensics hypnosis got certified in that in 2014. I also became certified as an instructor for the National Guild of hypnotists, where I can certify other people to become hypnotist as well. So that's kind of

backstory in the meantime of all of that I've always wanted to be a public speaker. So that's kind of what I'm doing now. That's my next goal in life is, is to start doing those and doing retreats and, and workshops and all that kind of stuff. That's incredible. So I'm curious what and because I also says psychology and I think

it's fast it's just fascinating really that we both

had a similar goal How can we do this faster? So when when I was going through a psychology school, I was like, this does not sound fun, like sitting there listening to people's problems over and over and over.

Not resolving them what and it just that's what it seems like to me most therapists do. Don't take offense if you're a therapist. I'm not trying to brag on you. But that's just that's my experience. I am I think there's value there. I went to therapists for many years of my life and I think that there's nothing wrong with going to a therapist for that purpose. But

There does come a point in time where you maybe want something more effective or to actually heal that trauma. Why do you think it is? Because most people are going to hear about hypnotherapy or hypnosis at some point during psychology classes as part of education. Why do you think some people will gravitate towards another be right now? I don't want to do that. If it's that much more effective, why is it not being more widely used? I think we will have a big fear about what hypnosis is, and a misconception of what it is and what it can do.

I was actually talking to a master psychologist who is out of Salt Lake who's now a hypnotist. And what he was taught to do was, they have to diagnose the problem, right? That's their big job is okay, you're telling me your issues. I've got to diagnose something, because they work in this corporation where a psychiatrist cannot prescribe medication. And so now it says, Oh, this is going to take seven or 10 years to get over. Where hypnosis is not like that hypnosis is let's get you in. My goal is to help you go out and beyond.

Your own for this one for three, four or five sessions, and we're done.

So I think that there's just kind of that that old mentality of, Oh, this is going to take a long time you've been diagnosed with this issue so that we're gonna talk about it. As far as in class or in high school, I don't know why some people gravitate towards it. And some people don't I, I just want I just knew that's what I want to do. So there was there was no question. That's fascinating. So with this diagnosis, saying this is, I mean, there's so many layers deep here, and depends on how deep we want it to go. How political we want to go. Sure. I'm not saying we have to go all that all the way down the rabbit hole, but I think it's a good rabbit hole to at least acknowledge, and that is

the concept of diagnosis. So they're one of the things that I found in psychology that,

again, don't take offense to these examples. These are super stereotypical, I understand that. But it's like a girl cop. Right? A female cop has something to prove that she's tough enough that she's able to do it in the military to a female

leaders in the military, they've got something to prove that they can be just as good as a man in those roles. And in the, in the medical industry. For a long time, like, almost centuries, psychology was looked at as like quack medicine, like crack science, it wasn't actually science. And so, from my perspective, this is just my own education. And what I saw, there was this push inside of the psychology

departments and field to push towards a more quote unquote, scientific based, they were diagnosed with this, this was the problem, right? Way of recording things so that they could be accepted by the grid, greater medical community, because they just weren't getting accepted. And so, to me, it seems like the

if you're worried about being accepted as like a medical doctor and having the credentials not that, then it almost it lives.

You in the ability to really use all of your

tools because only certain tools are looked at as effective from the medical journey perspective, especially when it comes to diagnosis, which then turns into psychiatry, which then turns into pharmaceuticals, which then turns into where the money is coming, which is why

if you want to get paid, I mean, I know a lot of psychologists don't get paid very much, because they don't get paid very much unless they have pharma behind them. That's right, this again, this is my experience.

So you can crucify me online or whatever you want to do, but like this is it this is my belief system from what I studied. I was I went to school for psychology to sound like I didn't participate to one degree or another in this. This is just was my observation and ultimately why I left because I wanted to find out how do I help somebody faster than

this diagnosis. Now you have a DD and you're ruined for the rest of your life like now

Right, what percentage of the population doesn't have a DD? What's wrong with it? It's a Okay, how can we use that to benefit a person and look at it as a gift rather than not? That's my perspective. But I found after going through psychology, neuro psychology, biochemistry, and which I want to get into some levels of that when it comes to like, why hypnosis works, but down to Sociology, for me, I found the most effective way to shortcut somebody so was to not have it become a problem and teach them how money works. Because, statistically, most of the social issues that therapists are seeing their clients for our result of lack of money, or our co existence in a home where there's lack of money, understanding how money works, it's a cause but that's hard to prove. But high correlation, high correlation between the two. And so that's why I'm in finance. You You have the same objective, how do we shortcut this successful healing of this, and you went into hypnosis and there were

What are your thoughts though on on from that perspective, why they why they're pushing for diagnosis. I think it's just how it's been done forever since Freud is like we, we just want to do this. And so they're just following the tradition. That's the way grandfather and great grandfather and everybody else before then did it. So that's all they really know. Except for I believe that the insurance companies and the pharmaceuticals are working together to make this all happen. So

so so again, from my perspective, again, going to the psychologists that I went to therapists, isn't kind of the objective, that this is the irony that I find in the industry, and it probably happens in my life all the time. So you can call me out on as well, but like the objective of a good therapist, from my perspective, okay, I can use this word a lot in the sentence. From my perspective, the objective of the therapist is to help me see a new perspective. Like they're professionals, hopefully at helping me see a new perspective of an event.

And yet, it seems so hard for them to accept a different perspective on their life. It's

It's a weird irony I don't understand like you go and try and talk to a therapist about them right now. That's not how it works. Like,

you're so closed off that you're the only way that it could be right? How Why should I trust you to educate me on a new perspective of my life, when you can't even see a different perspective on your own life? I think that's a huge, huge, huge issue is people who become therapists do it for either the money or because they think you're gonna help people, right? Problem is, is they don't go through their own crap growing up and going through their own stuff. So how can they help somebody if they've never been through it? So people become a famous psychologist that they don't have their own family. So exactly what we're saying is they don't have their own stuff together. Right. So I do believe that people need to go through their own stuff. That's what makes a really good therapist. Yeah, I hundred percent agree. That's That's interesting. So now I'm curious and maybe you have the answer. Maybe

I think you would, but at what point like what changed in society that you used to be able to call your self and hypnotherapist, but now you can't unless you have extra credentials. So what changed? Why did they start making a distinction? Again, because this is the separation between the quack and the credential. So what what changed in our economy and society in medical environment that demanded that change? So, the big talk about it is that the psychologists and psychiatrists were upset that they were calling themselves therapists when we haven't gone to as much schooling as they did. So why can you call yourself a therapist if you go to hypnosis?

That's the biggest reason is they don't want to compete with us. We can help people change so fast to get there. Now we're taking their clients. It could be a conspiracy theory as to why that's happening. I don't know. But that's that's what I've heard. And that makes sense to me. Well, somebody wise once said, The ultimate Sufis that simplicity is the ultimate sophistication sometimes

I think you can tell somebody that truth right now can't be that easy. Probably is that easy. I want to believe something that's stupid, simple and like, oh, that actually like, that's a logical it's an idiotic move, but it's logical like that, that makes sense based on human emotion based on ego based on these principles of like humanity. That actually makes sense. Now us trying to explain all these other justifications of why we did something that sounds like a big chain of justification so that you don't know why we did it. We're that's what that sounds like. So that's funny. So with all of your education, and what have you found to be the most enjoyable part of hypnosis

so two parts of the business right so that the therapeutic side or the healing side or the whatever you want to call it side, right, the one on one client side and then I also have the the comedy stage hypnosis and they both have benefits for two completely different reasons. One is I love entertaining. That's been my whole background is I love entertaining people and I love to create an experience for people. So that's actually

The new business couldn't call the shots versus an experience because that's what I want to create.

And that's enjoyable to make people laugh. But then you have the other side, which is when you're helping somebody to overcome something. And the cool thing about hypnosis, you can see instant change, or they wait, they open their eyes. They're like, Oh my gosh, that makes so much sense. And so they just had this instant gratification. Now, here's an example. I worked with a 12 year old wrestler, and he was competing or comparing himself to his brothers. So he was doing kind of poorly in wrestling, he hadn't even won a match. And so I worked with him one session, and I got a message from just a little while ago saying, Hey, man, thank you very much for helping me I took second state

for wrestling so so those kind of things you can't you can't get by working the nine to five Walmart job, right? With my groceries or whatever, right? And maybe, if that's your if that's how you receive fulfillment, sure, I'll challenge you on everything.

I think there's right or wrong but

Yeah, I think that that's where are you getting your format and so from you for you, you get your fulfillment from being able to

hear those success stories of like, how much somebody changed or how much that success happened or in the form of laughter, enjoyment, and almost a relaxation, and letting go of characters, the things that stress us out on our own basis. Sure. Yeah. That's awesome. For me, it's very similar. I come to work. And I love seeing somebody who's like, super depressed about their financial situation. Because I'm confident most of the time that by the time I'm done working with them, they're gonna be smiling and like, now I know where I'm going. Now. That's an exciting thing. I love it that that Penny drop is the same that I experienced when I was on a church mission. teaching about Jesus Christ isn't the same moment because the same is ultimately in my mind. It's the same transformation, whether we're talking about Christ, or whether we're talking about money, or whether we're talking about health or success, but it's the it's the recognition that that you are worth

a better life. That's the recognition and once you recognize that you're worth better life because of you. That's the penny that stops whether that's your worth a better life. So you believe in Jesus Christ, you work better lives, you spend your money more intentionally, you're worth a better life. Because you're no longer comparing your your success to your brothers and wrestling. It's your worth something. And once they recognize that they have worth that once that Penny drops, that's a beautiful thing for me. In my experiences, it's a really good way to look at it like that.

I think so, too.

I'll pat myself on the back for that one. Yeah, um, so

what were your biggest naysayers when you're going through this process of getting educated on on hypnosis and how that works and building a career out of it? What were your Who are your biggest naysayers and how did you overcome them? And I would say, Who are your naysayers today? Because I'm sure that happens. People every time you get on stage, I don't believe in hypnosis. There's always somebody in every crowd that way. So how

Do you deal with Mesa Arizona? Gotcha. Okay, so back to when I first started hypnosis in Utah, right was your against the commandments? Yes.

Right against the Book of Mormon right so so there's there was a lot of issues when I first got started in this and i would i would come up against a lot of walls but there was that burning. I gotta do this I know it's helpful people are just have a lack of education of what hypnosis is right? hypnotism sounds like mysticism which sounds like whatever else, right? So so people are assuming that it's this stuff that you can't do. But there's a whole scientific principle behind hypnosis. Once people learn that it's like, oh my gosh, this makes a lot of sense. And so we go in and out of it all the time, right seven times a day worried at most instruments, or longer or at least, and it's different for every hypnotist. But yeah, we spend a lot of our time in a state of hypnosis, right or a trance. So anyway, so once they're educated, it helps. The biggest problem is back in the day

90s prior to the 90s, and then early 2000s is the stage hypnotists were very, very dark, and I'm in control of you, blah, blah, blah, right? So I wanted to give it a different feel. And so once I started empowering people from the stage that opened up a whole new realm, a lot of artists are doing that now. Because now it's like, oh, this is a power thing. And no, it's not crazy weird. So that's helped open the doors for me to be able to do a lot of schools and fairs and corporate events, because I get a good feeling. Right? So that's kind of shifted the mentality. I'm not saying I did it by myself, because the whole the whole community kind of kind of shifted at that at that time. So that's the first that's the first part. My biggest naysayer was my mom. She I was working in the corporate world, I manage restaurants and before I became a hypnotist, I was a flight attendant. So I did that for for six years. I did not know that about him. So when I knew things, so I was flying a lot and I started doing shows and so I would have to call in sick so I could go do it.

Show. And so I kept doing that. Well, the CEO of the company, I actually hypnotized their sister, and help help them lose weight and it worked. And so I called the CEO of the airlines. And I said, Hey, I are the airline that your work. Yes, I intentionally skipping out. Yes, yes, yes. So I called her and I said, Hey, just so you know, I'm at this point in my life, and I really want to do this. I just don't know if I can do it full time. I don't want to do I'm out of sick time. I have no more love. And she was so cool. She says, Why don't you take the month of August off and see how it goes and will keep your keep your stats, secure insurance, all that kind of stuff. And then if it works, great, then you can quit. And if not, then you come back and super cool. So I did. And it was like the next couple of days. I got phone calls. I ended up booking seven fares that year. And so I called her back and I said, Yeah, I gotta quit. So I wouldn't finish the month of September. Often I was in 2006. And then I quit airlines and so on.

So it's kind of funny, because think about it now because now you're like 15 fairs a year in August, but it was seven was like the big thing. So I was super excited than ever before. That's so cool, I think. So I want to go back to something you said, because I think this matters in literally every aspect of our life. And that is that the objective matters. And if you recall, we said it was looked down upon primarily because people were doing they're toying with it, unfortunately, often.

stuff is is ridiculed and thought against before it becomes widely accepted. And

no, often, often, often, often, the initial adopters of a new thing, are people who are out there and maybe don't always have the best intentions, it is what it is sure. Once it becomes more widely accepted, then we start seeing people come in to a field with better intentions and say, Okay, how can we use this better and, and that's just what you described.

people out there who are using different forms of language and programming with hypnosis, hypnosis, I'm happy to explain what hypnosis is from the, the, the medical perspective here in second, like the actual what's going on scientifically. But once you understand and it was more widely understood what is actually happening, then we can have more application of the principle because now we're understanding the principle we're not just a few people doing random things, but we we understand that principle we can control, there's more control, because now we can see actually results from principle. And then we can start using it for good. And you have the opportunity to do that with literally anything in your life. If you're a mom, if you're folding clothes, if you have children, you've got to be able to reframe things. It's got it's the same thing, the same things happening the same process, same scientific thing is happening. You it would be in your best interest to learn how to reframe things in a positive, helpful loving light serving light

because that's the

helps you accomplish more in life and gain greater persuasion and influence around those around you. So I love that the idea of just changing something, Nick, that was previously negative, and making it positive gossip, I have a friend, go check out his web site at his website, but definitely Facebook. But his his brand is called gossip for good, like

gossip is just sharing information. It's just going on and talking about things that you've heard about that may or may not actually be true.

But you can gossip about other people and negative things and judgment and kind of condemnation. You can gossip about all that or you can go gossip about all the good things that are happening in life. It's up to you what you choose to gossip about gossip is not inherently bad. It's what you choose gossip about. Yep, exactly. And so now, it doesn't last very long. So when we got to 30 minutes, but um, so

Anyways, go ahead and explain more of like the scientific because I think there's going to be people on here like, Oh yeah, the church still says it's bad to be hypnotized.

And it's just a lack of clarity of what hypnotism is. And unfortunately, it's

it's highly emotionally attached words to stuff that actually isn't there. So then they hear the word hypnosis, hypnosis or hypnotist, and they react to the word because of all the meaning that they've attached to it over their lifetime rather than what is reality. So they're living off in their own fictitious Fantasyland which, if you're happy, there are

no business falling out, but you're going to listen to this, don't judge

this until you actually know what it is I would be my my invitation to you. So go ahead and explain what that is and what's actually happening for scientific, more scientific level. So the basis of hypnosis, the long definition is hypnosis is an altered state of consciousness.

While you bypass the critical factor of thinking so that you become hyper suggestible. What does that mean? So we'll break down the three parts being in an altered state of consciousness, altered state of consciousness. Basically they hook the little electrodes up to your brain but the EEG machine, they can measure your brainwave cycles, just like a heartbeat. They mentioned the brainwave cycle. So the first brainwave cycle in consciousness is called a beta brainwave state. And just to be clear, just, this is all electrical impulses, correct? Yes. Okay, just so just so you guys know, this is electricity. He didn't come up with this hypnosis didn't come up with this. We found a way to label it and we terminate. We use the term hypnosis to define this process. dewpoint Okay. Okay, so now, in that beta brainwave state, we're paying attention, somebody megahertz, I don't know the exact megahertz or how many cycles it's going per minute or whatever that is, I don't know that. But basically, it's moving pretty fast. So then you start paying attention to something and then you enter into what's called an altered state of consciousness. So the first level would be called health.

A brainwave state or what is called Daydream, right? In normal terms, when you're driving down the street, or you're doing the dishes, and all sudden you kind of go away. The subconscious mind takes over it does an activity that constantly starts to think about something else, you enter the Daydream state. That's the first level of hypnosis or an altered state of consciousness. When you talk to yourself, you're also in that same brainwave state. Then you enter into another dependency a little bit deeper called a theta brainwave state theta is more like when you're driving down the street, you go past your ex, and you don't know where you've been for 10 minutes, or you're reading a book and you get to the bottom of page completely forget what you just read. That's another state. Right? Then you have delta which is a little bit deeper. And this is more like

it's more like when you get phone call him tonight, you talk to somebody hang up the phone and you need to remember who you talk to. or teenagers nowadays that wake up one morning that texted somebody the night before with texting. So this amnesia starts to happen in that in that brainwave state. These are all normal natural states. This isn't just hypnosis, this is normal activity. Sure, then you have the deeper level.

Which is called somnambulists, some symbolism is when you can kind of fool with the senses. That's when we can lessen pain. Or if you watch a state show, you can have somebody eating I know that he gets an apple, they have zero physiological signs, what's going on. So that's that's kind of a deeper level. Now there's all sorts of levels in between those states. Those are just the basics of how the brain was working. Now in hypnosis, there's four basically four ways how to get somebody into that trance. Okay? So that's the altered state of consciousness. Now what happens you start to bypass the critical factor thinking critical factor thing is your program. basically telling you who you are, who you are, or who you are, who you aren't what you can what you can do. So

if I'm working with a weight loss client, everybody knows that it takes two things to lose weight, which is diet and exercise, right? If I change my diet, eat less exercise more like burn more calories, and I consume I should lose weight. That's the theory right now. I'm gonna say there's everybody thinks they know that or they know that and it's not true.

And and then we get wound up in it. Yeah, but yeah, But sir, I really like

Chocolate cake or Yeah, but I like cookies were Yeah, but it's the holidays are Yep. But mom, here's where the programming comes in. Yeah. But mom always said I gotta finish my claim because they're starving kids where

they're starving kids in Africa or Ethiopia. Right?

Right. So So then we have that programming based on that. And then that's where hypnosis comes in. We put them in an altered state of consciousness to reprogram that.

Well, people think that in that state, you can become have mind control, right? It is not mind control, because you still have that moral and ethical code that no matter how deep and endless you go, I can't break that. You can be conditioned, granted rights. For those of you who are really studying this stuff, you can be conditioned for mind control, but just hypnosis of itself cannot create mind control for you to do something you would want to do spike Have you into deep levels of hypnosis and I said I want you to go rob a bank he didn't want to.

Now I think I think that again, this is just from my experience, so you have different experience. Fantastic for you. Most

people that I know who don't like it gnosis from a,

from a religious context. They don't like it because from their perspective, you're surrendering control of your body

and you should be in control and they have this deep religious belief that

the whole purpose of this planet is to gain control of our body, and I would actually 100% agree with them from the whole purpose of this plan is to be in control of your body. Learning to control your body is another conversation though. How many things did somebody else have to show you before you learned how to do it? Did somebody help you tie your shoes? Did somebody help you put your clothes on somebody help you learn how to put your underwear on, or put your glasses on or brush your teeth all those things somebody did for you to you.

Before you ever did them for yourself and you changing your diaper pro baby learning how to eat all these things. Somebody else did those for you before you can do it for yourself. So

You are going to abide by double leaf that allowing anyone else to control your body is a grave sin and a rejection of your your holy people that you follow for me, for me, it's Jesus Christ. And it's all right for me, I don't say that blasphemous Lee, I'm trying to give you permission to believe whatever you want, right? I have deep beliefs as well. But if you're gonna abide by that, then we have to be able to apply principles across the board. So stop taking care of your children, stop helping them do anything, stop driving them around, stop doing anything for them, that's not in them choosing to do it and see how well you like life. I think you're going to quickly agree that sometimes it's better to have somebody show how to do something first or to be taught how to do something. Definitely don't send your kids to school. You wouldn't want that. Okay, so like, the reality is

a good hypnosis, good hypnotist that I that I've seen. They are helping you there.

are facilitating something

by your choosing. They're facilitating it. Right? They aren't walking around hypnotizing people without. It's not like Disney where he's like, watch this clock.

Okay, that's what's going on guys. So, one you are choosing into an experience to learn something to better yourself, number one, number two, once you understand how a lot of this stuff is,

well, can you once you understood it, and you've practiced it, how difficult is it for you to use principles? Maybe not full on hypnotize yourself, but use principles of hypnosis, in your everyday life? All the time.

myself as well. So the point the point of that question is,

this isn't about somebody else, always doing this. Good hypnotism is about teaching and educating you how to do this yourself for yourself. It's about gaining more control of your body until you understand this. You're

are actually in the control of everybody else who understands this and is doing this with your media, your music, your TV, your books, it talks about mass hypnosis across the planet. It's happening. And if you aren't aware of it,

it's only hurting you and your family. Right? So in with what you do you do a lot of finance stuff, right? So people who are let's say they're stuck at a $45,000 a year $30,000 fixed as much doesn't matter. Remember, right. So now they are programmed to think that's how much they make, right? So let's use $40,000 a year in example, somebody a $40,000 a year employee salesman, let's use a salesman for example.

Their picture their internal dialogue, their thought process is that $40,000 a year right so that first three quarters they could kick tail and really make that that money, but their program is on $40,000. So now the last quarter, they start to tail off and that's what they make the next for that year is 40,000. Or the opposite is true. They may struggle for the first two or three quarters or whatever of the year.

And then all of a sudden they'll ask you to kick it in gear again. And guess what? They're back at 40,000 it's the pictures they create in their money to self hypnosis, it's the exact same thing we're doing. So when we get stuck in that back to your control statement is they feel out of control. I don't know how to control this. I don't know how to change this smokers weight loss. I don't know how to fix this, or I need somebody else to help me get over that because the blind spot is right and proper ourselves. So you're exactly right. It is self hypnosis and we do it all the time. So let's uh, I love joining two forms, I thought and forcing them like just smashing them together. And religion as an easy one to because it's so especially in our society. It's so ingrained and everywhere I go, I'm not religious. I'm atheist, dude, that's a religion. In case you didn't know you have faith that nobody's there watching and nobody cares. Like, just because you've chosen to have faith in the non existence of being itself faith. So I

hate to burst your bubble, but you

You're just as religious as the rest of us just with a different religion, okay? football can be a religion, eating could be religion, religion is almost synonymous with ritualistic behavior. And there you go with a little theology. That's religion, but that's over simplistic as well. But with this, what is the contrast for this or this synonymous ism of prayer, daily prayer or repentance and meditation slash hypnosis?

Hmm, good question. Um,

the second part of the meditation hypnosis, a lot of people don't think they're the same. And they are the brainwaves are the exact same. The difference is in meditation, you're trying to clear your mind with hypnosis, you're going to same brainwave states, you're just giving yourself something to think about and focus on. That's the only difference right? You're giving yourself suggestions and safe access for us in hypnosis, religion and prayer. I've not done the studies. My guess is the brainwaves going to the same alpha or beta or theta brainwave

State right? You're you're creating visualization when you're asking Heavenly Father to to do something for us or to pray to

God just right so so let's say people ask people go to Heavenly Father and they and they ask for things. So it's like asking like this big Santa Claus in the sky asking for stuff. That's what a lot of people think of God as good as he can be in every day. I'm very, very, very spiritual. I connect with God on a daily basis and chat with him all the time. So you can be doing that when you're doing the dishes to plug yourself in and talk to talk to God. I'm so what's the difference between the two between prayer and meditation hypnosis? I don't know that there really is because you're still creating visualizations come from the subconscious mind. And just just, again, keep in mind that you have a conversation with me and we're actually talking about me trying to help you believe in God. This this comes out very differently. I'm just to help I have a healthy amount of skepticism, and I'm okay. Changing there.

Yes, okay, so keep in mind that that's the position I'm coming from, don't be offended, like, oh God, Sam does believe in God. Now he does. But from my perspective,

prayer could also be identical to what he said, from the perspective of when he was describing hypnosis and surpassing your critical thinking. The moment that you give up control, give up your critical thinking aspect and say, Look, I obviously can't figure this out my critical thinking no longer can accomplish whatever it needs to accomplish. I'm going to sidestep my critical thinking, put all of my faith in God. Okay, now we're going to this more perfect version of ourselves,

which is ultimately our subconscious, our, or I would say, our value system, right? The part that doesn't really get hypnotized our morals values, we're going to our idealistic morals and values and asking our version of what our idealistic morals and values are to suggest what behavior we should continue to perform. And it's the same process

we're eliminating critical thinking by using a placeholder of God or Jesus Christ or Allah or whatever you call him, Jehovah, whatever you call them. Buddha, you can call whatever you want, okay? But it's it's a, it's a sidestep of critical thinking going into something that for all intents and purposes, nobody's been able to empirically prove that this person exists. So we're sidestepping that with the intention of connecting deeper with our subconscious and our AI, our morals and our values so we can become better and change our habits change our circumstances change our reality. That's my death. Like, if I was to define prayer, that's what I think is happening from a more scientific explanation.

I think it's the same. You're self hypnotizing yourself, every time you're praying. Ideally, that's deep dude. And if you're not praying, and here's the

Here's the worst part about it. If you decide well I don't need prayer and you get rid of prayer then what are you doing to better yourself? How At what point in your day are you self hypnotizing yourself to be better if you're if you decide you don't believe in God?

What What else are you using to sidestep the critical thinking portion of your, your being?

That's those

that maybe I just want to do that as a way my mind thinks. And I think it's important because knowing that gives you so much more power to create, it gives you so much more power to determine what it is that you actually want out of life. And, and again, move past a lot of this crap that we hold ourselves accountable for, which is why we have anxiety, depression, all these things we're holding on to stuff that's really not ours to hold on to.

And, yeah, what you, you say if you get rid of prayer to better you

Two litres of water for who? For what reason? There's no point right? What is better because there's no good or bad if you're not believing in,

in higher power. So from what society says it's good and bad now. Yeah, I said, See, I don't know, I still think I still think there's a best of me and me as based on how good How good how successful on my at Korea, okay, so this goes back to a deeper religious belief that I hold that the purpose of this planet is to become like an infinite creator. Now you can call him God, you can call him whatever. But our purpose on this planet, as far as I'm concerned, is to learn how to create the way we saw other people creating.

And if that's my goal, then although there's no good or bad again, it's just like hypnosis. You could use the principle for a good outcome or a bad outcome. The goal is how good are you at creating intentionally

because that is

If any promise is real, that we are going to become like God, and then

we got to learn how to become like God at some point. And that's what this whole thing is for. That's my this No, this is not my religious beliefs, right? So, but anyways, I think that that's what we're doing here. So learning how to create is the good or bad it's how effective are you it's not necessarily is what you're creating good or bad it's how effective are you at creating it. And the Enlightenment comes with recognize being being willing to accept that everything that is happening right now you are creating and then changing inputs to create better sure create more things that are going to serve you or give you the outcomes that you want. You may create that something gives you the outcome you thought you wanted and find out man I really didn't want that outcome that happens. Well, it's sometimes you know, we're bettering as a hypnotist, it helps us to become a better version of themselves. Sometimes the spouse isn't on board with that. I've helped them

Females become very self confident. The spouse doesn't like that all the time. And one lady got a divorce if that wasn't the reason she came, but she's happy with herself. It caused a bad thing in both of their eyes, but not really because she's, she's happy, she's better thankful. And I agree I'm not I'm not one to like.